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Discuss the lady Salvia, the Mazatec visionary teacher plant, here.

Nice, was looking for topics in this part of the forum

I don't really use Salvia, but I am growing one plant and one cutting that is doing well. In the past I have smoked Salvia and found it interesting and in retrospect I am glad that I never broke through overwhelmingly, I like psychedelics but that just doesn't sound like it is for me.

Maybe I will try making a tincture at some point though, for a more dilated and less flash-like experience. At this rate I am going to have to propagate my plants a bit more though, or just get some plain leaf from somewhere else of course.

I could upload pics of the plants if you like.

Please do! I'm always very interested in other people's homegrown projects. I've had some major overwhelming break through smoked Salvia events in the distant past. I guess it was too weird for me to pursue these to no end. They have served their purpose. After that, however, I've still smoked some real low, non-visionary, amounts at rare occasions and discovered that this was surprisingly superb for sleep (I had some insomnia at the time and still have sometimes).
If you'll get to making a tincture, I hope you'll keep us informed.

Hier zijn wat foto's

Erbij staat wijnruit en Silene Capensis, en een stekje.

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Thanks for these photos Solipsis. Looking good! Lady Salvia is getting pretty big there, and she even attracts the attention of the unsuspecting butterfly-passer-by it seems, haha. How long have you had this one (and how big was it when you got it)?
So the second photo is, correct me if I'm wrong, from left to right: African Dream Root, Syrian Rue (front), small Salvia (back) and big Salvia? All useful and strong ethnos IMHO. Really really nice. I wish my thumbs were greener than they are!

I'm sorry, it's not Syrian Rue I see, but Ruta Graveolens...

Hey, apologies for the Dutch (might notve been many words and the traffic is modest now, but its the principle).. it seems it is too late to edit. So yea not a big deal but will keep an eye on it.

I just checked and I got Big Sally in april, back then it was about as big as my biggest cutting is now. About 10+ cm, and clearly firmly rooted and ready to really take off, growing and making lots of new parts, it has a lot more leaves compared to the real babies:
I have two tiny cuttings that are rooting now, maybe like 4-5 cm stems. One of them has a stem that is really curling insanely, must be from growing unilaterally, it is almost doing a full looping now! But, like the bigger cutting, I fixed it by tie-wrapping the stem to a support stick. I cut the bigger cutting free recently and it now grows nice and straight on its own.
You probably cannot really see but the cutting I originally received from an ethnobotany 'expert' friend has a curl at the very bottom. Considering I've seen this tendency 2 out of 3 times now, I'd bet good money that he did not fix this problem. It's not purely an aesthetics thing IMO, Salvia plants cannot really support their own weight when they grow bigger, that is the whole way they reproduce which you might know: they don't really produce viable seeds or if they do, that is not their true strategy. Instead they just fall over and start rooting again where they hit the ground.
Yet, I've seen pics of huge Salvia plants so clearly they can manage that way if they have to.

Actually I am planning on really multiplying the numbers of my Salvia's. Both because I'd like to experiment with extractions of harvested leaves in the future and cause I wanna try selling / trading cuttings when I can.

IMO you don't really need green thumbs for Salvia D. what I hear from others and am seeing myself is that it does very well on its own. There are just some basic do's and don'ts but it is not about it being difficult. More about if you 'd be willing to just care for it and give it attention and mostly just watering enough.

You're right about that other plant being Ruta Graveolens i.e. Rue and not Syrian Rue. AFAIK rue is not psychoactive but it does have kokusaginine which was at some point considered as the explanation for 'red jungle spice' i.e. a special version of DMT extract.
Anyway if anything I'd like it if the rue deters cats a little from taking a crap adjacent to my garden like they used to. It was an insane cat turd graveyard before I got rid of the crap and placed tiles there...

Silene capensis is for another thread of course..
I sowed a lot of things yesterday, including Trichocereus Peruvianus but yeah also things for other threads...